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"Conversation. What is it? A Mystery! It's the art of never seeming bored, of touching everything with interest, of pleasing with trifles, of being fascinating with nothing at all. How do we define this lively darting about with words, of hitting them back and forth, this sort of brief smile of ideas which should be conversation?" Guy de Maupassant

Wednesday, January 18, 2006

Last Session - Digital Summit 2006

Moderator - Rohit Mull, Tata AIG

  • Anup Bagchi COO, ICICI Web Trade Ltd.
  • Sanjeev Bikchandani, CEO, Naukri.com
  • Satya Prabhakar, President & CEO Sulekha.com
  • Harsh Roongta, Founder & CEO, Apnaloan
  • Sharat Dhall, Business Head, Ecommerce, Times Internet Ltd
  • Anaggh Desai, CEO, D'damas Jewellery (I) Pvt. Ltd.
Sanjeev Bikchandani - naukri.com
Foundation of naukri.com is based on the virtuous circle ---- we have the most jobs - so we get the most traffic - so we get the most response, so we get the most clients - so we get the most jobs. So first you have to have massive aggregation of content, unique content, need to know content and not nice to know, dynamic and updated content, and provide the best search of the content because there are 85,000 jobs on the site at any point in time.

Promotion and awareness - bootstrapping was a strategy - get repeat visitors, get buzz and word of mouth thru user experience, PR, early mover advantage. Today it is a much larger business with funds and a focus on promotions both offline and online.

Harsh Roongta - apnaloan.com
Put all resources into the online medium, although it was an online-offline service at that point in time. The biggest learning is that it is a mix of 4 issues - better online experience, value proposition - wanted to harness the power of the interactive medium, where our offers could be tailored, delivery to consumer - customer delight programmes - eg. we would contact the customer within 10 minutes of his putting his application online (so huge process adherence and processes were required) - and this got a lot of salience and goodwill. And finally, the CRM track. Some things were learned as we went along -- that we could calibrate our exposure to customers depending on our process capabilities.

To summarize - while user experience and value propositions are important, how you deliver, how quickly you deliver, and what tracking systems are in place are key.

Satya Prabhakar, President & CEO Sulekha.com
The most valuable commodity today is human attention. The number of offerings to us is exploding. So as the demand for human attention increases, but supply is constant, the value of attention will only decrease. The cost per unique visitor to site is about 30--35$ in the US.

Sulekha - connects Indians worldwide - blogs, groups, networks, classifieds, events, yellow pages.

The Internet can be a double-edged sword - while it is low cost to try and new service, it is also low cost to spread bad word of mouth. The 'mantra' - you get people, you get them to stay, you make them do new things. So acquisition is important, but retention the key. How can you get retention -- by providing value, a great user experience, caring for the customer at every turn.

Many media companies have a conflict between advertiser value and user value. Focus on the user, and the advertising will come.

Anup Bagchi COO,  ICICI Web Trade Ltd

Asks the audience, how many of you are in an online job -- i'd say over three-fourths of the audience had their hands raised. The point he makes is that businesses are businesses whether online or offline. The online world proposition must be strong. And is slightly ahead of its time - and thats good - examples - airline tickets, banking, naukri.com, apnaloan.com. In an online world service is key --- if you screw up, customer will go away and you cannot really track him. In an offline world, you can 'repair' the relationship - give him tea, suck up to him etc. Can't do that in an online world. Online can be cruel - it is completely transparent to the customer - you cannot fumble because he will not go to the next page. So the processes and policies have to be really well thought thru. Customer Activity Management must be really strong. There are no second chances, you don't have the nuances that talking to a customer can bring and that you can exploit to your advantage (IMO - Voice and even video may help here - more touch-feel definitely when servicing a customer!!!). And finally, there is a large offline portion to distribution -- eg. the supply chain has to be completed -- railway tickets must be ultimately delivered home the next day.

Anaggh Desai, CEO, D'damas Jewellery (I) Pvt. Ltd
What is customer acquisition --- boon or bane! Sells travel, and fine diamond jewellery. He uses the 3 I's model -- identify, invite, incentivize them to continue being with you. They provide a feel-good factor as opposed to the rest of the panelists who provide more functional offerings :). They kept advertising their travel portal on naukri.com -- naukri was doing the work and we were getting the customers !

Q&A

Q - A part of the job is to make it convenient for the customer to find what they are looking for ... but it takes ages to download many sites -so what works? A - it is true - we need more usability testing (yayyy). This is very important in a country like ours where bandwidth can vary so much. The panel agrees it is one of the biggest factors in customer satisfaction and usability. It doesn't matter how good the site looks, if it doesn't load fast enough.

Q - From a client perspective --- people invest in media in order to build the business for the future. Why is it they are not willing to invest now even in a cost-per-lead model - and support this medium so that it pays back in the future? A - no real answer

Q - related qn --- have you killed the medium with the Cost Per Lead model ? The problem with an emerging medium, there are a large number of questions being asked by seniors about why you want to get into that space. And it is a medium that allows clear measurement and quantification. It really is the most measurable form of advertising. It is a process of evolution. It will happen. Another view --- Also, making marketing expenditure accountable is one of the key characteristics of this space. If you move away from that, you will kill the medium. If you can't deliver, you should not be there !

Q - How are cost per leads worked out by clients? What if their own processes or products don't get conversions? Or interfere with leads? A - the way forward is to start off with a figure of faith - both parties must believe and trust in the value they have worked out. Its a partnership of leads, quality and conversion. Also, are their parallel processes to identify what it the weak link if you under deliver?

It was great meeting Rohit Mull and Harsh Roongta after many many years. I had done some qual research for apnaloan.com many years ago.




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Day 2 - Digital Summit 2006.

Moderator: V Ramani, CEO, Mediaturf


  • Naren Chandra, Head of Marketing, International Banking, ICICI Bank
  • VL Srinivas, CEO, Maxus, Asia Pacific
  • Kedar Sohoni, Director, Cross-tab
  • Lloyd Mathias, Marketing Director, Motorola
V. Ramani sets off the session with some posers :
  • are marketers really interested in this medium?
  • are traditional agencies equipped to handle online medium or are they masquerading as experts. Do we need experts? Why then are CMOs reverting to traditional agencies to handle their digital accounts?
  • should traditional marketing companies have an additional CMO for their digital markets? will marketers be forced to build special digital marketing teams?
  • do they realise that the internet can be a large research tool?
Lloyd Matthais - Motorola

What drives the digital medium - personalization, expression, immediate access, inofrmatio/content, viral capabilities - the internet enables you to build relationships.

The challenge for marketers -
1. Don't use online for building on your traditional media campaign - create communication specific for the net using its inherent advantages
2. Get your creative partners to think that way - the net is not just a medium - it is a creative experience
3. Look at holistic media measures
- industry standards are needed

Benefits - quicker, more flexible, higher response rates, real time tracking and emasurement, interactivity. The relationship changes - the customer is in control and the relationship is based on information, and the service based in real time.

Examples - Make it my Moto campaign which leveraged the need of customers to personalize their phone experiences.

Question from moderator - are their discussions with creative heads on the digital media - are the budget outlays large enough to justify it? Answer - honestly no. Agencies and marketers are equally at fault. As the net spreads, marketers willynilly will have to wake up to the need for specialists. But it will be a gradual process.

Naren Chandra, Head of Marketing, International Banking, ICICI Bank


Brief overview on how ICICI bank has gone global. Started off 4 years ago - needed to target indian customers and corporates abroad - NRI's. Apart from using mass media for NRIs - TV, print, events - they felt they needed to be more effective with reach, and at lower costs. He never needed had to justify his decision to go online to seniors - it has paid off.

Started off with typical stuff like cricket and news. But that has evolved. Also used online world to test out hypotheses - through forms of research, using email, chat even. Tested new sites, channels, media, products this way.

Key challenges - because it's an international target group - you need different content, style, creative, tone and value propositions. Also, need to be really active about competition.

Now they have launched an online savings product in Canada and UK - where local customers and not just Indians can open accounts. That is a first ! And it is all centralised in India. Lots of pride :)

Q - ICICI is one of the most advanced in scaling the digital media and marketing ladder. Whats the next challenge? A - how to take search forward into reaching the customer when she is thinking of the product - need to ascertain when a customer is reading an article on a topic, my ad pops up.

Dinesh Sharma - Samsung CDMA

CDMA is targeted at lower end of the market. As a technology, it has great potential for the upmarket segment as well.

Marketing approach - 360 degree marketing
Web marketing initiatives - target net savvy populations - we are experiencing pull traffic. Support provided to consumers - value-added services like ringtones, colour etc. Also internationally have registration and CRM programmes.
Web B2B - dealers and distributors - you need to deliver digitally to them. Building a Distributors Extranet.
One point made that struck me - in terms of online research, there is a lack of human and qualitative elements in online research.

Comment from moderator - when you engage with traditional research agencies, do you get involved in the actual fieldwork - all marketers need to do this.

Q - Why don't they spend more of marketing budgets into the mobile media? A - we have concerns and media experts need to convince marketers. Lloyd adds - traditional media will always be critical as we will always need to go further down to newer segments of potential customers.

Kedar Sohoni, Director, Cross-tab

Online market research firm - many other markets have moved away from F2F interviewing into telephonic interviews and online research. India still isn't comfortable with this new medium. Over 260 MR firms in Europe and N. America use online research. Been around for 10 years now. It's greater than a $ 1 billion industry worldwide. Massive projects, spread across different marets can be managed centrally and easily. Faster results. Automated so data is clean.

Some advantages - monitor results of a study as it happens in real time, reach exclusive and difficult to access respondents, no chance of data entry errors, get frank and honest responses to sensitive questions.

Online qualitative focus group screen shot shown - right hand side - chat window - left side is the client room - where the client can pass on virtual chits to the moderator.

Q - What kind of advice would you have for clients who are accustomed to traditional offline research. A - we face a lot of questions and some resistance quite often - they are comfortable with status quo.

Sudhir Nair - Grey Interactive

Reality check - we have imposed on this medium too many stringent measures in delivering clicks or leads. And we haven't even begun to understand its potential. The future is surround compaigns rather than integrated campaigns. Language will play a role.
Upshot - please set objective of the campaign and then craft our your digital marketing campaign. It cannot just be measured by brand leads.






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